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Compensation

What Happens to Us?

Information re: Class Action Suits - British Columbia

Trace Back Procedures

Thursday, December 9, 1999 - Evening Support Group - Vancouver - Guest Speaker: David Klein of Klein, Lyons who represents the pre '86 post '90 group

Compensation to date: The Run Around

Information re: Class Action Suits - British Columbia

ADMINISTRATOR

To receive a compensation claims form package, please call the Administrator at 1(888) 726-2656 or 1 (877) 434-0944.    www.hepc8690.com  info@hepc8690.com

New TOLL FREE Number

1.877.434.0944

Distribution of Claim Forms from www.campchurch.com

 

Camp Church & Associates                                        
Sharon Matthews or Kim Graham                              
4th floor - Randall Bldg.                                              
Vancouver BC  V6B 1Z5                                           
1-888-236-7797    
                                                     
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Bruce Lemer
Grosvenor Building
West Georgia Street
Vancouver BC   V6E 4H1
Office:             (604) 609-6699
Fax:     (604) 609-6688

Before August 1, 1986

Klein Lyons                                        
David A. Klein
Ste 1100-1333 West Broadway
Vancouver BC    V6H4C1
Office: (604) 874-7171 or 1-800-468-4466
Fax: (604) 874-7180

Toll Free Number to get you in touch with the Hepatitis C Counsel is 1-800-229-5323

Nation Compensation Hotline is 1-888-726-2656

**if you would like more information about class action/compensation you can :

 Ron Thiel at (250) 652-0608 or via e-mail at: thielron@pacificcoast.net

Trace Back Procedures

 - Inquiries - this information is for anyone who has received blood transfusions in Canada, if they wish to find out if their donors were Hep C positive :

If you have any troubles with this procedure, please call Leslie Gibbenhuck at 250.490.9054 or Fax: 250.490.0620 Email: bchepc@telus.net

The Canadian Red Cross Society, 4750 Oak Street, Vancouver BC   V6H 2N9

1-888-332-5663 Local 207

A little helpful information: if you go to the hospital where you had the transfusions and they say that their 'medical records' department has no record of the transfusion - ask to speak to the 'hematology department'.  They apparently have records that are different from the ones kept in medical records and you can often find the information you are looking for from the hematology dept.(you are looking for dates and blood bag numbers).  You will be required to fill out forms under the "Freedom of Information" act and the hospital cannot charge you (in British Columbia at least) for the provision of the information.  If the hospital tells you the records have been destroyed ask them for a letter stating the date and the reason for the destruction of same.

Thursday, December 9, 1999 - Evening Support Group - Vancouver - Guest Speaker: David Klein of Klein, Lyons who represents the pre '86 post '90 group.

 

Disclaimer: Please note that I took these notes in rapid succession at the meeting and I trust that I have all the information down correctly.  If you have any questions about the content and want to verify anything please get in touch with Lisa Porteous at David Kleins' office (604) 874-7171 or e- mail Lisa at lporteous@kleinlyons.com

 There are 3 different groups that are ongoing on a simultaneous basis:

 
January 1, 1986 - July 1, 1990 - this is commonly known as the "Endean" class action and has been certified in BC - Ontario and Quebec - also the Hemophiliac Group in included and has also been certified in all three provinces mentioned above - the govt.  promised $ 1.2 Billion in compensation for this class action - no monies have been paid out to date - and the appeal time has now expired.  The settlement is now final and will go ahead.  The necessary forms required by the govt.  prior to payouts have not been finalized but should be done and out in the mail to recipients within the next couple of weeks.  The hope is that the first cheques will be in the mail late February or early March, 2000.  The govt.  has filed an objection to the lawyer's fees.

 

Pre '86 - Post '90 - commonly known as the "Ted Killow" class action.  Note: This is the only pre '86 - post '90 class action that has been certified and that has been done both before the provincial and federal governments.  The federal govt.  has provided the lists of documents required by Klein, Lyons on behalf of the class action but to date, BC has not provided these documents.  The law firm will cite contempt against BC for failure to produce the documents and negligence in fulfilling their duties.  I understand this was to have been heard in court on Dec.  9 and 10 but has now been postponed.  No new date set at the time of our meeting.  The class actions in Ontario and Quebec for this period of time have still not certified.

 
Red Cross Insolvency Hearings - it appears that there will be approx.  60 - 70 million dollars left after the Red Cross pays all of their creditors - these remaining monies will go into a trust fund - the Red Cross is also trying to get their insurers to contribute to the trust fund.  There are about 4000 infected registered across Canada with regard to voting on the outcome of the monies.  You can still file a claim against the trust if you have not yet registered but you will have no vote.  It appears that there may be about 1000 out of the 4000 that were IDU (Intravenous drug users) and they will not get any money.  The final tally of persons who could expect monies from the Red Cross trust (only pre'86 - post '90 group) could be about 5000 persons sharing anywhere from 60 to 80 million dollars - the structure of the payout has not yet been set but it will probably be on some type of sliding scale.  I understood from the meeting that the Red Cross plaintiffs will only be paid out if and when  the "Killow" action is settled.

 David Klein has about 780 tainted blood clients at this time - 190 of which fall into the January 1, 1986 to July 1, 1990 group - 150 of which have proved they contracted Hep C through blood transfusions.

Klein Lyons has an agreement with 110 hospitals throughout BC that as of one year ago - they will no longer destroy any records they still have until the Hep C suits have been settled.

 Children's Hosp.  and also VGH has many of the records from the old Shaugnessy site.  Also many hospitals have a separate blood division and they may have records on microfiche that will not show up in the regular hospital records - it is another avenue to pursue if you are trying to prove you received blood transfusions.

 There is also a Post '90 group - there is no class action slated for this group in BC and the number of people affected is very small.

 Darlene Nicolaas
Co-Chair - HepC - VSG ( Vancouver Support Group)

 When one considers the effects, constraints, and ramifications that HepC inflicts on its victims and their families the need for education and understanding becomes glaringly apparent.

March 15, 2000 (3:13AM) - David Ingram Interview Notes

April 15, 2000 - additional notes for April 18.00 interview

 

Compensation to date: The Run Around

Source Darlene Nicolaas

Is compensation transferable: family members of a qualified HCV infected person whose death was caused by HCV - this is the key - you will have to be able to prove the death was caused by HepC - secondly - you will have to be qualified and as of Feb.25.00 no one is qualified nor is there a mechanism in place to do so.  A suggestion would be to include any and all information regarding compensation in ones will and also check out the provisions of appointing a power of attorney in your province.

Call 1-888-726-2656 for the legal settlement agreement

e-mail: inf-@hepc8690.com for answers to comp questions

web site: http://www.hepc8690.com

I, personally, have spent upwards of $ 6000 from my own pocket on HepC related drugs - Rock made noises about a year ago on an enhanced care plan for people outside the compensation time but nothing has come of it.

Darlene Morrow and myself co-chair a morning support group that meets on the last Wednesday of every month at the Centre for Disease Control - 655 West 12th Ave. Vancouver, B.C. from 10:30 to 12:30.  A one hour private session with the co-chairs of the group can be arranged in advance and to take place from 12:30 to 1:30 also at the CDC building.

We are a volunteer group and have just recently incorporated as a “non profit society”.  We rely, at this point, strictly on donations to carry on our mandate which is support and education for all those infected and affected by HCV.  We will be applying for a “charity number” from Revenue Canada but have been told this will take between 6 months and a year to get.  We can be reached via our Phone-Fax # at 608-3544.  Darlene Morrow, Darlene Nicolaas or Ken Winiski will return your call and answer your concerns.

March 27.1998 the two levels of government. announced a $1.2B fund for those infected between Jan.1.86 and July 1.90

March 10.99 - Red Cross plan covers those excluded by feds deal - it is thought that Allan Rock would prefer to avoid a messy court battle with the Red Cross, since it could air new information about government involvement in the Tainted blood tragedy.

March 26.99 - Red Cross proposal aimed at persons infected from 1986 to 1990.  Class action lawyers have spent months talking about how to allocate the funds but no money has been given out.  Details of the proposal will be announced next week as part of a restructuring plan which must be delivered to the Ontario Court by Wednesday.  The agency has about $65M in three accounts that are frozen while it remains under court protection.  To the best of my knowledge - today - March 16.00 it is still under court protection and has been since July 20, 1998.  According to the Canadian Press on March 27, 2000 the society’s compensation package was to be made public on April 10,2000.  To qualify for the Red Cross offer, victims would have to waive their right to sue the agency.  Many victims feel they would be better off going to court. They feel the Red Cross should survive but not on the backs of the tainted blood victims.  The offer would likely provide about $ 3000 to each person - barely enough to bury you.  The compensation package must be submitted to victims to be voted on - if it is rejected claimants will likely proceed with damage claims in the billions of dollars.

June 30.99 - The federal government has, for the first time, acknowledged that US prison blood imported into Canada in the early 1980's led to more Canadians being infected with HepC This statement was in a briefing note prepared for Allan Rock and obtained by the Globe and Mail under access-to-information legislation.  It is on the subject of blood imported in Canada in the early 1980's from an Arkansas prison and made into products that were used by hemophiliacs.    When Connaught was purchasing prison blood it was a wholly owned unit of CDC Life Sciences - a subsidiary of Canada Development Corp., which was in turn 47% owned by the federal government.

July 16.99 - JJ Camp - who played a leading role in the negotiations said the fees amount to less than 4.5 % of the total package and he is fully prepared to defend them in court. Camp insisted most victims should be able to get their money without further legal help. Harvey Strosberg says that “if the politicians are concerned about getting more money to victims they should rebate taxes charged on legal fees to the fund.  He said $32M of the $52.5 M in projected fees will go to governments in taxes - $6 M in GST and PST and the rest in income tax.  Why should governments be getting money out of this fund when they caused the problem in the first instance?”  He goes on to say that he asked the federal government to forgo its share of taxes, but the suggestion was rejected.

Nov.23.99 - Allan Rock described a series of federal measures to deliver better care to victims insisting that they want care, not cash.  “We have shown our principles and our compassion with the steps we have already taken - we initiated the process of compensation”.  He would not give a firm date for when the federal compensation money will start to flow.  Some Ontario victims have been compensated by the Ontario provincial government prior to Christmas.99.  Rock argues there was no reliable test for the virus before 1986. Critics maintain a test with about 75% reliability was available and had been implemented in other countries and in most US blood banks. March.99 - French convict former Health Minister Edmond Herve of manslaughter but said there would be no penalty.  The French conviction however dealt with the contamination of HepC in the blood system in 1985.  Rock and the federal government have maintained there was no government liability in this country before 1986 because of the state of global blood technology at that time.  This decision in France puts the lie to Mr. Rock’s contention. Rock chose a window of Jan.1.86 to July 1.1990 for compensation. The Krever report, which cost the taxpayers $ 40 million has been largely ignored by the federal government   That study states, among other related items,  that Germany began testing for the virus as early as 1968 and ALT testing was required by regulation in Switzerland, Italy, Portugal, Finland and Malta.

Jan.31.00 - Dave and Sharon Lalonde - Sharon was infected by blood transfusions in 1988 - she tested positive for the virus in Jan.97 and her husband tested positive in Oct.97.  JJ Camp’s office returned their files about one month before Xmas.99 with a strong assurance that the cheque was virtually in the mail - the administrator had been accepted and compensation to all was forthcoming.  Apparently the lawyers have requested $ 58 million for their services and the CBS - $16 million to complete the tracebacks - this all from the funds that were allocated to the victims of this tragedy.

Feb.14.00 - nearly 2 years after the federal and provincial governments promised compensation  no money has been paid out to the victims.  However some lawyers representing them have recently received “interim” payments of about $4 million - taken out of the $1.2 billion fund set aside for the victims.  In Toronto today  some layers will argue that their total fees should exceed $50 million.  Harvey Strosberg, a Windsor, Ontario lawyer makes no apologies for receiving money (he and his colleagues have been paid $3.2 million for work between 1986 and 1990 and JJ Camp has received $ 950,000) before the victims who qualify for compensation.  Strosberg says they have worked on the file for years (Michel LaPierre - an Ontario lawyer says most of their time was spent after the framework for the deal was reached and at that time the risk to the lawyers was low) without receiving any payment and they needed interim funds to pay of huge expenses (I thought class action suits - this one filed in 1997- even those settled outside of court meant the lawyers only got paid when the claimants received their monies - some of the lawyers say they took a risk when they accepted the suit on behalf of their clients)  Mr. S added that he feels it is perfectly reasonable what they have done adding that the victims won’t have to wait much long to get their money and that the funds will continue to be paid out for many years as the victims become progressively more ill - they are going to be getting money long after I do -he said. I am not waiting for the last claimant to be paid out before I claim my salary.  No one is asking him to wait until the last victim is compensated but he might, out of decency, wait until the first victim receives a cheque.  Mr. S and his group along with JJ Camp of BC and his group have asked for and received interim funds. In Toronto on Feb.14.00 a team of nine Ontario lawyers went to court seeking a $15 million fee for their part in negotiating a $1.2 billion compensation deal. They have been paid $3.2M.    Bonnie Tough, a Toronto lawyer turned down a court approved $913,000 payment saying she wants to wait until her client get funds.

Pierre Lavigne, lead counsel for Quebec says “we do not believe lawyers should be paid any fees while victims wait”.  In Quebec - lawyers have chosen, on principle, not to even ask the courts for any interim payments. Lavigne spoke in favor of another company to administer the funds stating that he felt the other company  would be better equipped to offer bilingual services.

In December the feds opposed the interim payments to the lawyers but the court allowed the payments - despite the fact the money comes from the federal government.  In late 1997 Rock said “we should respond in a humanitarian and fair way”.  Victims have been told since the spring of 1998 that they wouldn’t have to wait long - perhaps just a few months.  But instead of cash to help with costs they have received only false hope.

BC wants $ 15 M - Ontario wants $ 20M - Quebec wants $ 17.5M

Feb.17 and 18.00 - Montreal courts will hear arguments regarding the stability of Peterson Worldwide, the company that had been agreed on as the fund administrator.  However Navigant, its parent company, is facing a number of class actions suits in the US .March 9.00 - Quebec and BC have issued reasons for appointing Crawford Expertises Inc. and Garden City Group Inc. as the Administrator of the 1986-90 Hep C settlement agreement.  The courts have ordered that Peterson Worldwide work toward a timely and effective transfer of the claims administration to the new administrator.  Victims fear this will mean further delays in getting compensation from the fund.  People are dying while we wait for government and lawyers to argue these issues.  The role of administrator is to provide application forms to victims, assist them in preparing claims, reviewing their eligibility and approved claims and issuing the cheques.........ANOTHER MASSIVE DELAY and more stress for the victims who are already stressed beyond belief.  Mike McCarthy of the Canadian Hemophilia Society predicted that the change will delay compensation for at least 4 more month.

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